diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index fb10480..ee09515 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -10,6 +10,9 @@ endif
 docs:
 	@(cd docs/ && (make html SPHINXOPTS="-W --keep-going -n"))
 
+clean:
+	@(cd docs/ && make clean)
+
 lint:
 	@echo "    Linting FUSE codebase"
 	@python3 -m flake8 $(FLAKE8_FORMAT) fuse
@@ -37,9 +40,7 @@ test_cells:
 	@firedrake-clean
 	@python3 -m pytest -rPx --run-cleared test/test_cells.py::test_ref_els[expect1]
 
-clean:
-	@(cd docs/ && make clean)
 
 prepush: lint tests
 	@rm .coverage.*
-	make clean docs
\ No newline at end of file
+	make clean docs
diff --git a/fuse/dof.py b/fuse/dof.py
index 81c5b6d..00cd259 100644
--- a/fuse/dof.py
+++ b/fuse/dof.py
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 from FIAT.quadrature_schemes import create_quadrature
 from FIAT.quadrature import FacetQuadratureRule
-from FIAT.functional import PointEvaluation, FrobeniusIntegralMoment
+from FIAT.functional import PointEvaluation, FrobeniusIntegralMoment, Functional
 from fuse.utils import sympy_to_numpy
 import numpy as np
 import sympy as sp
@@ -38,6 +38,10 @@ def convert_to_fiat(self, ref_el, dof, interpolant_deg):
         pt = dof.eval(FuseFunction(lambda *x: x))
         return PointEvaluation(ref_el, pt)
 
+    def get_pts(self, ref_el, total_degree):
+        entity = ref_el.construct_subelement(self.entity.dim())
+        return [(0,) * entity.get_spatial_dimension()], [1], 1
+
     def add_entity(self, entity):
         res = DeltaPairing()
         res.entity = entity
@@ -90,6 +94,18 @@ def add_entity(self, entity):
         res.entity = entity
         return res
 
+    def get_pts(self, ref_el, total_degree):
+        entity = ref_el.construct_subelement(self.entity.dim())
+        Q_ref = create_quadrature(entity, total_degree)
+
+        ent_id = self.entity.id - ref_el.fe_cell.get_starter_ids()[self.entity.dim()]
+        Q = FacetQuadratureRule(ref_el, self.entity.dim(), ent_id, Q_ref)
+        Jdet = Q.jacobian_determinant()
+        # TODO work out how to get J from attachment
+
+        qpts, qwts = Q_ref.get_points(), Q_ref.get_weights()
+        return qpts, qwts, Jdet
+
     def convert_to_fiat(self, ref_el, dof, interpolant_degree):
         total_deg = interpolant_degree + dof.kernel.degree()
         ent_id = self.entity.id - ref_el.fe_cell.get_starter_ids()[self.entity.dim()]
@@ -98,11 +114,7 @@ def convert_to_fiat(self, ref_el, dof, interpolant_degree):
         Q = FacetQuadratureRule(ref_el, self.entity.dim(), ent_id, Q_ref)
         Jdet = Q.jacobian_determinant()
         qpts, _ = Q.get_points(), Q.get_weights()
-        print(qpts)
-        print(dof.tabulate(qpts))
         f_at_qpts = dof.tabulate(qpts).T / Jdet
-        print(len(Q.pts))
-        print(f_at_qpts.shape)
         functional = FrobeniusIntegralMoment(ref_el, Q, f_at_qpts)
         return functional
 
@@ -154,8 +166,11 @@ def permute(self, g):
     def __call__(self, *args):
         return self.pt
 
-    def tabulate(self, Qpts):
-        return np.array([self.pt for _ in Qpts]).astype(np.float64)
+    def tabulate(self, Qpts, attachment=None):
+        if attachment is None:
+            return np.array([self.pt for _ in Qpts]).astype(np.float64)
+        else:
+            return np.array([attachment(*self.pt) for _ in Qpts]).astype(np.float64)
 
     def _to_dict(self):
         o_dict = {"pt": self.pt}
@@ -195,8 +210,10 @@ def __call__(self, *args):
             return [res]
         return res
 
-    def tabulate(self, Qpts):
-        return np.array([self(*pt) for pt in Qpts]).astype(np.float64)
+    def tabulate(self, Qpts, attachment=None):
+        if attachment is None:
+            return np.array([self(*pt) for pt in Qpts]).astype(np.float64)
+        return np.array([self(*attachment(*pt)) for pt in Qpts]).astype(np.float64)
 
     def _to_dict(self):
         o_dict = {"fn": self.fn}
@@ -255,8 +272,20 @@ def add_context(self, dof_gen, cell, space, g, overall_id=None, generator_id=Non
             self.sub_id = generator_id
 
     def convert_to_fiat(self, ref_el, interpolant_degree):
-        return self.pairing.convert_to_fiat(ref_el, self, interpolant_degree)
-        raise NotImplementedError("Fiat conversion only implemented for Point eval")
+        total_degree = self.kernel.degree() + interpolant_degree
+        pts, wts, jdet = self.pairing.get_pts(ref_el, total_degree)
+        f_pts = self.kernel.tabulate(pts).T / jdet
+        # TODO need to work out how i can discover the shape in a better way
+        if isinstance(self.pairing, DeltaPairing):
+            shp = tuple()
+            pt_dict = {tuple(p): [(w, tuple())] for (p, w) in zip(f_pts.T, wts)}
+        else:
+            shp = tuple(f_pts.shape[:-1])
+            weights = np.transpose(np.multiply(f_pts, wts), (-1,) + tuple(range(len(shp))))
+            alphas = list(np.ndindex(shp))
+            pt_dict = {tuple(pt): [(wt[alpha], alpha) for alpha in alphas] for pt, wt in zip(pts, weights)}
+
+        return [Functional(ref_el, shp, pt_dict, {}, self.__repr__())]
 
     def __repr__(self, fn="v"):
         return str(self.pairing).format(fn=fn, kernel=self.kernel)
@@ -297,6 +326,24 @@ def tabulate(self, Qpts):
         res = self.kernel.tabulate(Qpts)
         return immersion*res
 
+    def convert_to_fiat(self, ref_el, interpolant_degree):
+        total_degree = self.kernel.degree() + interpolant_degree
+        pts, wts, jdet = self.pairing.get_pts(ref_el, total_degree)
+        f_pts = self.kernel.tabulate(pts, self.attachment)
+        attached_pts = [self.attachment(*p) for p in pts]
+        immersion = self.target_space.tabulate(f_pts, self.trace_entity, self.g)
+
+        f_pts = (f_pts * immersion).T / jdet
+        dict_list = self.target_space.convert_to_fiat(attached_pts, f_pts, wts)
+
+        # breakpoint()
+        # TODO need to work out how i can discover the shape in a better way
+        if isinstance(self.pairing, DeltaPairing):
+            shp = tuple()
+        else:
+            shp = tuple(f_pts.shape[:-1])
+        return [Functional(ref_el, shp, pt_dict, deriv_dict, self.__repr__()) for (pt_dict, deriv_dict) in dict_list]
+
     def __call__(self, g):
         permuted = self.cell.permute_entities(g, self.trace_entity.dim())
         index_trace = self.cell.d_entities_ids(self.trace_entity.dim()).index(self.trace_entity.id)
diff --git a/fuse/traces.py b/fuse/traces.py
index 2f77606..81fa713 100644
--- a/fuse/traces.py
+++ b/fuse/traces.py
@@ -57,6 +57,10 @@ def to_tikz(self, coord, trace_entity, g, scale, color="black"):
     def tabulate(self, Qpts, trace_entity, g):
         return np.ones_like(Qpts)
 
+    def convert_to_fiat(self, qpts, pts, wts):
+        pt_dict = {tuple(p): [(w, tuple())] for (p, w) in zip(pts.T, wts)}
+        return [(pt_dict, {})]
+
     def __repr__(self):
         return "H1"
 
@@ -80,6 +84,14 @@ def plot(self, ax, coord, trace_entity, g, **kwargs):
         vec = self.tabulate([], trace_entity, g).squeeze()
         ax.quiver(*coord, *vec, **kwargs)
 
+    def convert_to_fiat(self, qpts, pts, wts):
+        f_at_qpts = pts
+        shp = tuple(f_at_qpts.shape[:-1])
+        weights = np.transpose(np.multiply(f_at_qpts, wts), (-1,) + tuple(range(len(shp))))
+        alphas = list(np.ndindex(shp))
+        pt_dict = {tuple(pt): [(wt[alpha], alpha) for alpha in alphas] for pt, wt in zip(qpts, weights)}
+        return [(pt_dict, {})]
+
     def tabulate(self, Qpts, trace_entity, g):
         entityBasis = np.array(trace_entity.basis_vectors())
         cellEntityBasis = np.array(self.domain.basis_vectors(entity=trace_entity))
@@ -123,6 +135,14 @@ def tabulate(self, Qpts, trace_entity, g):
         result = np.matmul(tangent, subEntityBasis)
         return result
 
+    def convert_to_fiat(self, qpts, pts, wts):
+        f_at_qpts = pts
+        shp = tuple(f_at_qpts.shape[:-1])
+        weights = np.transpose(np.multiply(f_at_qpts, wts), (-1,) + tuple(range(len(shp))))
+        alphas = list(np.ndindex(shp))
+        pt_dict = {tuple(pt): [(wt[alpha], alpha) for alpha in alphas] for pt, wt in zip(qpts, weights)}
+        return [(pt_dict, {})]
+
     def plot(self, ax, coord, trace_entity, g, **kwargs):
         vec = self.tabulate([], trace_entity, g).squeeze()
         ax.quiver(*coord, *vec, **kwargs)
@@ -159,10 +179,28 @@ def apply(*x):
             return tuple(result)
         return apply
 
+    def convert_to_fiat(self, qpts, pts, wts):
+        shp = (self.domain.get_spatial_dimension(),)
+        alphas = []
+        for i in range(pts.shape[0]):
+            new = np.zeros(shp, dtype=int)
+            new[i] = 1
+            alphas += [tuple(new)]
+        deriv_dicts = []
+        for alpha in alphas:
+            deriv_dicts += [{tuple(p): [(1.0, tuple(alpha), tuple())] for p in pts.T}]
+
+        # self.alpha = tuple(alpha)
+        # self.order = sum(self.alpha)
+        return [({}, d) for d in deriv_dicts]
+
     def plot(self, ax, coord, trace_entity, g, **kwargs):
         circle1 = plt.Circle(coord, 0.075, fill=False, **kwargs)
         ax.add_patch(circle1)
 
+    def tabulate(self, Qpts, trace_entity, g):
+        return np.ones_like(Qpts)
+
     def to_tikz(self, coord, trace_entity, g, scale, color="black"):
         return f"\\draw[{color}] {numpy_to_str_tuple(coord, scale)} circle (4pt) node[anchor = south] {{}};"
 
diff --git a/fuse/triples.py b/fuse/triples.py
index e047a72..2de1bcb 100644
--- a/fuse/triples.py
+++ b/fuse/triples.py
@@ -120,21 +120,27 @@ def to_fiat(self):
             dim = entity[0]
             for i in range(len(dofs)):
                 if entity[1] == dofs[i].trace_entity.id - min_ids[dim]:
-                    entity_ids[dim][dofs[i].trace_entity.id - min_ids[dim]].append(counter)
-                    nodes.append(dofs[i].convert_to_fiat(ref_el, degree))
-                    counter += 1
+                    fiat_dofs = dofs[i].convert_to_fiat(ref_el, degree)
+                    nodes.extend(fiat_dofs)
+                    entity_ids[dim][dofs[i].trace_entity.id - min_ids[dim]].extend([counter + i for i in range(len(fiat_dofs))])
+                    counter += len(fiat_dofs)
+        print("nodes", nodes)
         entity_perms, pure_perm = self.make_dof_perms(ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set)
-        self.matrices = self.make_overall_dense_matrices(ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set)
+        # self.matrices = self.make_overall_dense_matrices(ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set)
         form_degree = 1 if self.spaces[0].set_shape else 0
-        print("my", [n.pt_dict for n in nodes])
+        print("pts", [n.pt_dict for n in nodes])
+        print("derivs", [n.deriv_dict for n in nodes])
         print(entity_perms)
         print(entity_ids)
-        print(ref_el.vertices)
+        print(nodes)
+        print(len(nodes))
         print()
         # TODO: Change this when Dense case in Firedrake
         if pure_perm:
+            self.matrices = self.make_overall_dense_matrices(ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set)
             dual = DualSet(nodes, ref_el, entity_ids, entity_perms)
         else:
+            self.matrices = None
             dual = DualSet(nodes, ref_el, entity_ids)
         return CiarletElement(poly_set, dual, degree, form_degree)
 
@@ -227,7 +233,7 @@ def compute_dense_matrix(self, ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set):
         A = dualmat.reshape((shp[0], -1))
         B = old_coeffs.reshape((shp[0], -1))
         V = np.dot(A, np.transpose(B))
-
+        print(V)
         with warnings.catch_warnings():
             warnings.filterwarnings("error")
             try:
@@ -249,7 +255,7 @@ def make_overall_dense_matrices(self, ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set):
             if g.perm.is_Identity:
                 res_dict[dim][e_id][val] = np.eye(len(nodes))
             else:
-                new_nodes = [d(g).convert_to_fiat(ref_el, degree) for d in self.generate()]
+                new_nodes = sum([d(g).convert_to_fiat(ref_el, degree) for d in self.generate()], [])
                 transformed_V, transformed_basis = self.compute_dense_matrix(ref_el, entity_ids, new_nodes, poly_set)
                 res_dict[dim][e_id][val] = np.matmul(transformed_basis, original_V.T)
         return res_dict
@@ -286,7 +292,8 @@ def make_dof_perms(self, ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set):
 
         if pure_perm is False:
             # TODO think about where this call goes
-            return self.make_overall_dense_matrices(ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set), pure_perm
+            return None, False
+            # return self.make_overall_dense_matrices(ref_el, entity_ids, nodes, poly_set), pure_perm
 
         dof_id_mat = np.eye(len(dofs))
         oriented_mats_by_entity = {}
diff --git a/test/bfs.py b/test/bfs.py
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..1152ec5
--- /dev/null
+++ b/test/bfs.py
@@ -0,0 +1,25 @@
+from firedrake import *
+from fuse import *
+from test_convert_to_fiat import create_dg1
+from test_tensor_prod import mass_solve
+
+
+def her_int():
+    deg = 3
+    cell = Point(1, [Point(0), Point(0)], vertex_num=2)
+    vert_dg = create_dg1(cell.vertices()[0])
+    xs = [immerse(cell, vert_dg, TrH1), immerse(cell, vert_dg, TrGrad)]
+
+    Pk = PolynomialSpace(deg)
+    # TODO fix faking out permutations
+    her = ElementTriple(cell, (Pk, CellL2, C0), DOFGenerator(xs, S2, S2))
+    return her
+
+
+r = 3
+her1 = her_int()
+her2 = her_int()
+bfs = tensor_product(her1, her2).flatten()
+mesh = UnitSquareMesh(2 ** r, 2 ** r, quadrilateral=quadrilateral)
+U = FunctionSpace(mesh, bfs.to_ufl())
+mass_solve(U)
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diff --git a/test/test_convert_to_fiat.py b/test/test_convert_to_fiat.py
index 4c00cf7..2cd112d 100644
--- a/test/test_convert_to_fiat.py
+++ b/test/test_convert_to_fiat.py
@@ -155,6 +155,27 @@ def create_cg2_tri(cell):
     return cg
 
 
+def create_hermite(tri):
+    vert = tri.vertices()[0]
+
+    xs = [DOF(DeltaPairing(), PointKernel(()))]
+    dg0 = ElementTriple(vert, (P0, CellL2, C0), DOFGenerator(xs, S1, S1))
+
+    v_xs = [immerse(tri, dg0, TrH1)]
+    v_dofs = DOFGenerator(v_xs, S3/S2, S1)
+
+    v_derv_xs = [immerse(tri, dg0, TrGrad)]
+    # TODO fix perms so this can be S1
+    v_derv_dofs = DOFGenerator(v_derv_xs, S3/S2, S3)
+
+    i_xs = [DOF(DeltaPairing(), PointKernel((0, 0)))]
+    i_dofs = DOFGenerator(i_xs, S1, S1)
+
+    her = ElementTriple(tri, (P3, CellH2, C0),
+                        [v_dofs, v_derv_dofs, i_dofs])
+    return her
+
+
 def test_create_fiat_nd():
     cell = polygon(3)
     nd = construct_nd(cell)
@@ -485,6 +506,7 @@ def test_non_tensor_quad():
                                                     (lambda cell: CR_n(cell, 3), "CR", 1),
                                                     (create_cf, "CR", 1),  # Don't think Crouzeix Falk in in Firedrake
                                                     (construct_cg3, "CG", 3),
+                                                    (create_hermite, "HER", 3),
                                                     pytest.param(construct_nd, "N1curl", 1, marks=pytest.mark.xfail(reason='Dense Matrices needed')),
                                                     pytest.param(construct_rt, "RT", 1, marks=pytest.mark.xfail(reason='Dense Matrices needed'))])
 def test_project(elem_gen, elem_code, deg):
@@ -557,6 +579,35 @@ def test_project_3d(elem_gen, elem_code, deg):
     assert np.allclose(out.dat.data, f.dat.data, rtol=1e-5)
 
 
+# @pytest.mark.xfail(reason='Handling generation of multiple fiat nodes from one in permutations')
+def test_create_hermite():
+    deg = 3
+    cell = polygon(3)
+    elem = create_hermite(cell)
+    ref_el = cell.to_fiat()
+    sd = ref_el.get_spatial_dimension()
+
+    from FIAT.hermite import CubicHermite
+    fiat_elem = CubicHermite(ref_el, deg)
+
+    my_elem = elem.to_fiat()
+
+    Q = create_quadrature(ref_el, 2*(deg+1))
+    Qpts, _ = Q.get_points(), Q.get_weights()
+
+    fiat_vals = fiat_elem.tabulate(0, Qpts)
+    my_vals = my_elem.tabulate(0, Qpts)
+
+    fiat_vals = flatten(fiat_vals[(0,) * sd])
+    my_vals = flatten(my_vals[(0,) * sd])
+
+    (x, res, _, _) = np.linalg.lstsq(fiat_vals.T, my_vals.T)
+    x1 = np.linalg.inv(x)
+    assert np.allclose(np.linalg.norm(my_vals.T - fiat_vals.T @ x), 0)
+    assert np.allclose(np.linalg.norm(fiat_vals.T - my_vals.T @ x1), 0)
+    assert np.allclose(res, 0)
+
+
 def test_investigate_dpc():
     mesh = UnitSquareMesh(2, 2, quadrilateral=True)
 
diff --git a/test/test_dofs.py b/test/test_dofs.py
index dc2c737..3b964a7 100644
--- a/test/test_dofs.py
+++ b/test/test_dofs.py
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 from fuse import *
-from test_convert_to_fiat import create_cg1, create_dg1, construct_cg3, construct_rt, construct_nd
+from test_convert_to_fiat import create_cg1, create_dg1, construct_cg3, construct_rt, construct_nd, create_hermite
 import sympy as sp
 import numpy as np
 
@@ -106,3 +106,33 @@ def test_permute_nd():
     #     print(g)
     #     print(nd.cell.permute_entities(g, 0))
     #     print(nd.cell.permute_entities(g, 1))
+
+
+def test_convert_dofs():
+    cell = polygon(3)
+
+    cg3 = create_hermite(cell)
+
+    # for dof in cg3.generate():
+    #     print(dof)
+    #     # print("old")
+    #     # # old = dof.convert_to_fiat(cell.to_fiat(), 5).pt_dict
+    #     # print(old)
+    #     # print("new")
+    #     new = dof.convert_to_fiat(cell.to_fiat(), 5)[0].pt_dict
+    #     print(new)
+    #     new = dof.convert_to_fiat(cell.to_fiat(), 5)[0].deriv_dict
+    #     print(new)
+    # print(len(cg3.generate()))
+    fuse_elem = cg3.to_fiat()
+    for n in fuse_elem.dual.nodes:
+        print(n.pt_dict)
+        print(n.deriv_dict)
+
+    from FIAT.hermite import CubicHermite
+    fiat_elem = CubicHermite(cell.to_fiat(), 3)
+
+    print(len([n.pt_dict for n in fiat_elem.dual.nodes]))
+    for n in fiat_elem.dual.nodes:
+        print(n.pt_dict)
+        print(n.deriv_dict)
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