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Objective

  • Remove confusion around #[reflect(Debug, PartialEq, Hash, Default)].
  • Allow specifying paths like #[reflect(my_crate::foo::MyTrait)].

Solution

  • Remove the special casing around #[reflect(Default)].
  • Change the syntax to #[reflect(debug, partial_eq, hash)] to make obvious the distinction between normal and "special" idents.
    • #[reflect(Hash(my_hash_fn))] is now #[reflect(hash = "my_hash_fn")].
  • Implement parsing for paths in #[reflect] attributes.

Changelog

  • Replaced #[reflect(Debug, PartialEq, Hash, Default)] syntax with #[reflect(debug, partial_eq, hash)] syntax.

Migration Guide

  • Replaced #[reflect(Debug, PartialEq, Hash, Default)] syntax with #[reflect(debug, partial_eq, hash)] syntax.
  • Derived FromReflect::from_reflect implementations no longer can create a value from a partial set of fields if it implements default. All fields are required.

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Information about the special trait-like attributes needs to be prominent and clear in the docs for the derive macro, or the syntax needs to be more distinct.

I agree with the change, but the UX is quite confusing with some traits being capitalized and others seemingly not.

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MrGVSV commented Feb 20, 2023

Still need to give a proper review, but I'm wondering if— while we're changing this up anyways— we could separate out the type data registrations from everything else.

As we start to add more container attributes (e.g. #[reflect(hash = "my_hash_fn", partial_eq)], etc), it might be better to give type data registration a defined syntax. Being able to do #[reflect(debug, Serialize, hash = "my_hash_fn", Component, partial_eq)] feels wrong to me. Not only that, but it makes it harder for lints/build scripts to identify the meaning of each attribute. And lastly it means that adding a new attribute is a breaking change. For example, we might add a #[reflect(foo)] attribute, but that might conflict with the person who decided they wanted to create a custom type data struct with the all-lowercased name foo (of course, in reality that's probably not a very likely scenario).

It might be nice to break it up like:

  • #[reflect(hash, partial_eq, debug)]
  • #[reflect(register(Serialize, Component))] where register is the attribute name that auto-registers the given type data

Thoughts?

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cart commented May 28, 2024

Hmm this might make sense from an implementation perspective, but from a user perspective I would find this pretty confusing. We train people to think "when I want reflected TraitX behaviors, write reflect(TraitX)". The fact that some built in traits have special internal implementations / fast paths seems inconsequential relative to retaining that mental model. We're forcing users to be aware that PartialEq and Hash are "special" from a reflection perspective. That makes this all more confusing from an "average user" perspective.

What is the specific real world confusion we're solving here? Ex: is it that people are reaching for ReflectPartialEq in the registry and it is missing? If so, I would point out that (1) this is not a common case and (2) if we really want to solve that problem we probably can / should insert ReflectPartialEq into the registry.

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MrGVSV commented May 29, 2024

The fact that some built in traits have special internal implementations / fast paths seems inconsequential relative to retaining that mental model.

Hm, true. I think the difficulty comes when we want to provide customization for these attributes. All of these allow users to specify custom implementations like #[reflect(Hash(my_custom_hash_fn)]. This cannot be done for any other "true" type data.

We could optimize for users not needing to specify custom trait functions for these types and keep things as is.

Default is still a bit weird in that it's both changing how FromReflect works and registering ReflectDefault. And if we eventually want to be consistent with the field attributes by allowing a custom default function, then that complicates things further. Of course, this PR also aims to remove that special casing entirely, but we may eventually want to have the ability to construct a default instance stored on TypeInfo as well rather than just in the registry.

Clone will face a similar problem if #13432 lands.

Additionally, these aren't strictly "internal implementations" in the sense that the user doesn't ever need to be fully aware of them. This is required knowledge if one wishes to use the affected Reflect methods (i.e. Reflect::reflect_hash, Reflect::reflect_partial_eq). In order for those to work and/or do anything, the user needs to know that the attribute is needed.

At this point in time, I'm not too sure which way is the best to move forward. As much as I'd like to change these attributes for consistency with the field attributes, the user-facing argument is a good one.

I'd be curious to hear thoughts from others on the matter, especially those unfamiliar with reflection. Is it unintuitive to have a few traits that control Reflect methods be special-cased? How could we make this clearer (either the current system or the one presented in this PR)? Are there alternatives we haven't considered?

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cart commented May 31, 2024

This cannot be done for any other "true" type data.

Not yet. But on that note, maybe we should build a mechanism for passing in parameters to constructors of "true" type data? Then this could still "feel" unified.

This is required knowledge if one wishes to use the affected Reflect methods (i.e. Reflect::reflect_hash, Reflect::reflect_partial_eq). In order for those to work and/or do anything, the user needs to know that the attribute is needed.

Agreed, but I would argue these are still "reflect configuration/behaviors associated with a specific trait (Hash, PartialEq, etc)".

At this point in time, I'm not too sure which way is the best to move forward. As much as I'd like to change these attributes for consistency with the field attributes, the user-facing argument is a good one.

I feel pretty strongly that we should use "reflect trait syntax" for these cases (while trying to unify behaviors, syntax, and code paths to the maximum extent that makes sense). My gut reaction to seeing the new syntax is "this is weird and confusing" (both as a user of Bevy and as an informed developer of it). I think ideologically the current trait syntax makes sense. We are still reflecting a specific trait/behavior, it just manifests slightly differently. In the context of trait "type data" (which adds additional behaviors and data on top of exposing the trait itself), I think something like a "Hash behavior override" fits in perfectly.

Changing the syntax has multiple negative impacts:

  1. It forces users to know which traits are "special". This is the biggest one.
  2. It immediately creates questions about why they are different, even for the users that dont need to care.
  3. It looks funky, especially next to "normal" reflected traits. These are high-traffic traits, so we're making a bunch of impls look funkier than they need to.

@BenjaminBrienen BenjaminBrienen added S-Waiting-on-Author The author needs to make changes or address concerns before this can be merged D-Modest A "normal" level of difficulty; suitable for simple features or challenging fixes labels Jan 5, 2025
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# Objective

Using `Reflect::clone_value` can be somewhat confusing to those
unfamiliar with how Bevy's reflection crate works. For example take the
following code:

```rust
let value: usize = 123;
let clone: Box<dyn Reflect> = value.clone_value();
```

What can we expect to be the underlying type of `clone`? If you guessed
`usize`, then you're correct! Let's try another:

```rust
#[derive(Reflect, Clone)]
struct Foo(usize);

let value: Foo = Foo(123);
let clone: Box<dyn Reflect> = value.clone_value();
```

What about this code? What is the underlying type of `clone`? If you
guessed `Foo`, unfortunately you'd be wrong. It's actually
`DynamicStruct`.

It's not obvious that the generated `Reflect` impl actually calls
`Struct::clone_dynamic` under the hood, which always returns
`DynamicStruct`.

There are already some efforts to make this a bit more apparent to the
end-user: #7207 changes the signature of `Reflect::clone_value` to
instead return `Box<dyn PartialReflect>`, signaling that we're
potentially returning a dynamic type.

But why _can't_ we return `Foo`?

`Foo` can obviously be cloned— in fact, we already derived `Clone` on
it. But even without the derive, this seems like something `Reflect`
should be able to handle. Almost all types that implement `Reflect`
either contain no data (trivially clonable), they contain a
`#[reflect_value]` type (which, by definition, must implement `Clone`),
or they contain another `Reflect` type (which recursively fall into one
of these three categories).

This PR aims to enable true reflection-based cloning where you get back
exactly the type that you think you do.

## Solution

Add a `Reflect::reflect_clone` method which returns `Result<Box<dyn
Reflect>, ReflectCloneError>`, where the `Box<dyn Reflect>` is
guaranteed to be the same type as `Self`.

```rust
#[derive(Reflect)]
struct Foo(usize);

let value: Foo = Foo(123);
let clone: Box<dyn Reflect> = value.reflect_clone().unwrap();
assert!(clone.is::<Foo>());
```

Notice that we didn't even need to derive `Clone` for this to work: it's
entirely powered via reflection!

Under the hood, the macro generates something like this:

```rust
fn reflect_clone(&self) -> Result<Box<dyn Reflect>, ReflectCloneError> {
    Ok(Box::new(Self {
        // The `reflect_clone` impl for `usize` just makes use of its `Clone` impl
        0: Reflect::reflect_clone(&self.0)?.take().map_err(/* ... */)?,
    }))
}
```

If we did derive `Clone`, we can tell `Reflect` to rely on that instead:

```rust
#[derive(Reflect, Clone)]
#[reflect(Clone)]
struct Foo(usize);
```

<details>
<summary>Generated Code</summary>

```rust
fn reflect_clone(&self) -> Result<Box<dyn Reflect>, ReflectCloneError> {
    Ok(Box::new(Clone::clone(self)))
}
```

</details>

Or, we can specify our own cloning function:

```rust
#[derive(Reflect)]
#[reflect(Clone(incremental_clone))]
struct Foo(usize);

fn incremental_clone(value: &usize) -> usize {
  *value + 1
}
```

<details>
<summary>Generated Code</summary>

```rust
fn reflect_clone(&self) -> Result<Box<dyn Reflect>, ReflectCloneError> {
    Ok(Box::new(incremental_clone(self)))
}
```

</details>

Similarly, we can specify how fields should be cloned. This is important
for fields that are `#[reflect(ignore)]`'d as we otherwise have no way
to know how they should be cloned.

```rust
#[derive(Reflect)]
struct Foo {
 #[reflect(ignore, clone)]
  bar: usize,
  #[reflect(ignore, clone = "incremental_clone")]
  baz: usize,
}

fn incremental_clone(value: &usize) -> usize {
  *value + 1
}
```

<details>
<summary>Generated Code</summary>

```rust
fn reflect_clone(&self) -> Result<Box<dyn Reflect>, ReflectCloneError> {
    Ok(Box::new(Self {
        bar: Clone::clone(&self.bar),
        baz: incremental_clone(&self.baz),
    }))
}
```

</details>

If we don't supply a `clone` attribute for an ignored field, then the
method will automatically return
`Err(ReflectCloneError::FieldNotClonable {/* ... */})`.

`Err` values "bubble up" to the caller. So if `Foo` contains `Bar` and
the `reflect_clone` method for `Bar` returns `Err`, then the
`reflect_clone` method for `Foo` also returns `Err`.

### Attribute Syntax

You might have noticed the differing syntax between the container
attribute and the field attribute.

This was purely done for consistency with the current attributes. There
are PRs aimed at improving this. #7317 aims at making the
"special-cased" attributes more in line with the field attributes
syntactically. And #9323 aims at moving away from the stringified paths
in favor of just raw function paths.

### Compatibility with Unique Reflect

This PR was designed with Unique Reflect (#7207) in mind. This method
actually wouldn't change that much (if at all) under Unique Reflect. It
would still exist on `Reflect` and it would still `Option<Box<dyn
Reflect>>`. In fact, Unique Reflect would only _improve_ the user's
understanding of what this method returns.

We may consider moving what's currently `Reflect::clone_value` to
`PartialReflect` and possibly renaming it to `partial_reflect_clone` or
`clone_dynamic` to better indicate how it differs from `reflect_clone`.

## Testing

You can test locally by running the following command:

```
cargo test --package bevy_reflect
```

---

## Changelog

- Added `Reflect::reflect_clone` method
- Added `ReflectCloneError` error enum
- Added `#[reflect(Clone)]` container attribute
- Added `#[reflect(clone)]` field attribute
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BenjaminBrienen commented May 16, 2025

Has conflicts for a few months now. Let us know if you would like to put the PR up for adoption or if you intend to solve the merge conflicts.

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